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India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 2, 2009 6:28 AM
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Actually, the 3-year bachelor's degree trend started in Europe, then quickly moved to India.
Trying to keep with the race to the bottom, some US colleges are starting to offer the 3-year bachelor's degree.
> Countries like India and Pakistan, have been offering three-year degree programs after twelve years of elementary and secondary education for a long time.
> Career Consulting International, a foreign credential evaluation service under the supervision of Executive Director Sheila Danzig, has been helping individuals with three-year degrees prove that their degrees are actually equivalent to a U.S. four-year degree program.
> Likewise, some of the U.S. regional education accreditation bodies, including the Middle States Commission on Higher Education, do not consider it mandatory for a U.S. Bachelor Degree program to be four years in duration.
http://www.officialwire.com/main.php?action=posted_news&rid=34629&catid=116
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 2, 2009 7:39 AM
in response to: walterbyrd
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> > Career Consulting International, a foreign
> credential evaluation service under the supervision
> of Executive Director Sheila Danzig, has been helping
> individuals with three-year degrees prove that their
> degrees are actually equivalent to a U.S. four-year
> degree program.
The next thing we will find out is that 2+2 = 5. Sounds to me like they are trying to put 10 lbs of sh!t in a 5lb bag.
Inevitably, these diploma mill "consultants" will assert that a 1 year vocational tech certificate is equivalent to a 4 yr. degree from MIT, and even worse, there will be many people and companies with a "get something for nothing" mentality who will believe them, and pay for it one way or the other.
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India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 2, 2009 8:09 AM
in response to: walterbyrd
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Typically, a 3-year undergraduate degree, sometimes referred to as a general degree, does not allow a student to continue onto a graduate degree with taking another year (30 credit hours, 10 semester-length courses). The 4-year undergraduate degree, sometimes referred to as an honors degree depending on the level of the coursework, does allow direct entry into graduate school. Both 3-year and 4-year bachelor-level degrees are valid, however, for purposes of a work visa in the USofA USCIS/ICE/DHS might require 3 years of work experience for the missing fourth academic year, if they realize the degree is only a 3-year degree. The original intent of the 3-year undergraduate degree (bachelor-level) was for students who did not want to pursue graduate studies.
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 2, 2009 10:10 AM
in response to: idm
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If 30 credit hours is considered a 'year', then a typical American engineering graduate, who takes typically 40-45 credit hours per year, for 4 years, would have a 5 or 6 year degree.
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 2, 2009 10:24 AM
in response to: walterbyrd
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In the UK, they do advanced level certs before college which are equivalent to the first year of US colleges more or less. Probably much the same in Europe. Best not to mix up European and Indian university systems just because Bac degree is 3 years
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 2, 2009 10:30 AM
in response to: walterbyrd
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Just to clarify... at almost all the Engineering colleges in India, it's a 4year degree. If you are interviewing, look out for the degrees BE or BTech. They are all 4 year degrees.
However, other liberal arts and pure sciences degrees ARE 3 year degrees. The system is more brit oriented since India inherited a lot from the brits.
AFAIK, the 3 year bachelors degrees in Engg will be mostly from the diploma mill type colleges. Think UofPhoneix or DeVry type ones in India.
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 3, 2009 9:07 AM
in response to: walterbyrd
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As much as I would like to believe that America has the best students, that is not always true, so cutting back on education is not a good option. A guy in one of my classes last night asked if I could give him a hand. When I went over to his laptop he said he has installed Java, but couldn't "find it", that there was only a folder labeled java. I said, "what were you expecting to find?". He said, I don't know, how do I use it? This is a guy who had already passed 3 programming classes in Java. I had another guy in a 400 level Unix class who had to have help at home to check his email, who had also passed those same classes. Grade inflation is a huge problem, we don't need to cut back as well!
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 4, 2009 2:40 AM
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> Grade inflation is a huge problem, we don't
> need to cut back as well!
Word.
You wouldn't believe the things that go on, especially in selective private universities. In engineering, most of the introductory hard sciences and calculus courses are curved to ensure that practically everyone passes the course.
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India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 4, 2009 6:13 AM
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> If 30 credit hours is considered a 'year', then a
> typical American engineering graduate, who takes
> typically 40-45 credit hours per year, for 4 years,
> would have a 5 or 6 year degree.
Not quite. In the US a 3-credit hour course is a one-semester course which is the equivalent of a 0.5 credit hour courses at most universities in Canada. In the end, a 4-year degree requires 40 courses for a total of 120 credit hours (US) or 20 credit hours (Canada).
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 4, 2009 9:41 AM
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> > Grade inflation is a huge problem, we don't
> > need to cut back as well!
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> Word.
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> You wouldn't believe the things that go on,
> especially in selective private universities. In
> engineering, most of the introductory hard sciences
> and calculus courses are curved to ensure that
> practically everyone passes the course.
Well, when I went to engineering school in the late 70s, the curve was used on tests to eliminate "outliers".
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 4, 2009 12:16 PM
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idm, in Canada, an engineering degree is 40-45 credit hours per year, for 4 years. A CS degree is 30 credit hours per year, just like any other generic arts or science degree.
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India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 4, 2009 12:45 PM
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> idm, in Canada, an engineering degree is 40-45 credit
> hours per year, for 4 years. A CS degree is 30
> credit hours per year, just like any other generic
> arts or science degree.
Yeah, 10 semester courses per year. But some schools, like Carleton University, used the 0.5 and 1.0 credit hour system so a year equals 5.0 credit hours or 20.0 credit hours to earn the 4-year degree. Engineering, like architecture, have their own unique credit requirements unlike other fields.
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Re: India 3 year degree == US four year degree == unfair playing field?
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Nov 4, 2009 1:25 PM
in response to: curts
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> Well, when I went to engineering school in the late
> 70s, the curve was used on tests to eliminate
> "outliers".
That is the system we used at our school in India too. It was called "relative grading".
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