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Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 1, 2009 10:39 AM
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From: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/lifestyle/stories.nsf/healthfitness/story/10F0D8D1D1AA55D98625765F00049B18?OpenDocument
Had this article been published 10 years ago, the word "nursing" in the last two paragraphs would have been replaced with "IT".
Nursing schools aren't worried that there will be a lack of interest. The economy has already boosted demand to the point where schools are turning away many applicants because they cannot accommodate so many students.
"Nursing has been called recession-proof. People know nurses will be employed," said Juliann Sebastian, dean of the College of Nursing at University of Missouri-St. Louis. "But it's more than that. Nursing is challenging and rewarding. It's a field that demands the best of your intellect and the best of your heart."
Beware the hype of the "hot" industry calling. With so many people being turned away from nursing schools, there will have to be an eventual crash in salaries. A field like nursing would be a great thing for many, however, should not be entered into only because one seeks security and a good paycheck. You really have to have a heart for people. Most people I know in IT would never make it...
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM
in response to: DeltaAlpha
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Nursing went through a big bust cycle in the 90s after a boom in the 80s. so it is not immune to downturns and layoffs. Cost conscious hospitals could also decide to import H-1B guest workers as in IT. The Phillipines is to US nursing what India is to US IT.
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 3, 2009 9:19 PM
in response to: sonetlumiere
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> The Phillipines is to US nursing what India is
> to US IT.
Not even close. Theoretically it could happen someday, but not now, not by a long shot.
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 4, 2009 11:36 PM
in response to: walterbyrd
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> > The Phillipines is to US nursing what India is
> > to US IT.
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> Not even close. Theoretically it could happen
> someday, but not now, not by a long shot.
Come visit Long Island and NYC and say that.
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 5, 2009 8:49 AM
in response to: walterbyrd
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Come to California too...
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 5, 2009 9:46 AM
in response to: veryspoiledgirl
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From people that I know in Florida, Nevada, and Colorado: the influx of guest workers is no problem at all. Still, it would be nice to have some hard numbers. Anybody have any idea what percentage of nurses are here on a work visa? I will bet it is a lot less than the percentage of work visas in IT.
It is difficult for me to believe that health care can be taken over by guest workers, the way IT has.
1) It is much harder - nearly impossible - to fake credentials for health care. That stuff requires a license, and a very difficult test. If you hire somebody who does not have proper credentials, and something goes wrong, there will be h3ll to pay. This is very different than IT.
2) Health care jobs are standardized, pay is often fixed to a scale, which leaves much less room for pay rate shenanigans. Again, very different than IT.
3) Because health care jobs are standardized, it is much more difficult to falsely claim shortages. In IT, there is no standard definition as to what constitutes a qualified applicant.
4) Health care workers are supported by powerful organizations, such as the AMA, and labor unions. Unlike IT workers, health care workers have a voice in DC.
5) If health care workers feel they are getting the shaft, it will be all over the media. In all likelihood the public will be angry, and support the health care workers. IT workers do not know how to be heard, or how to generate public outrage. The day that one competent health care worker is replaced by a guest worker, for no reason other than to save money, the public will hear about from one coast to the next.
6) I never hear news about thousands of US health care workers who can not find jobs, or who have been replaced by offshore workers. I never hear of well qualified health care workers who go months, or years, without being able to find worthwhile work in their fields.
Again, IMO, the situation for health care workers can not even be compared to the situation for IT workers. But, that is just my opinion. Can anybody provide some credible data to prove me wrong?
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 5, 2009 12:16 PM
in response to: walterbyrd
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Yeah, right.
Come to Long Island and NYC.
Wages are plummetting and the corporate bigwigs who have interests in hospitals and clinics ain't gonna spread the sunshine.
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 5, 2009 10:09 PM
in response to: USCitizen
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I know nurses in California complain about the guest workers and their protectionist policies of hiring only their own. My mother even complained to Kaiser while my grandmother was in there about the Filipinos who can barely comprehend what the **** is going on with their patients. She wondered why there were barely any Black, Latino, or White nurses at the hospital. She called the HR Director (who is also Filipino) directly and asked the question and the HR Director said they couldn't recruit any. Bullsh*t and they know it. They only hire their own and would like to keep it that way.
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 6, 2009 3:53 AM
in response to: DeltaAlpha
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Yep the nursing director at the hospital near me plus most of the nurses are tada filipino, see it's basically greed get the cheapest schmucks you can to do the job and charge as much as you can, nice system if your making the $$$
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 6, 2009 10:35 AM
in response to: Bill Nafta Gates
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Just as financial firms employ way more than the legal amount of H1-Bs and pay them way below legal limits so too do other industries.
Many times the abuse is not exposed until a malpractice lawsuit occurs; even then, the legal floor nurse has to cover for the illegal.
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Re: Nursing - The Next IT ???
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Nov 20, 2009 7:40 PM
in response to: USCitizen
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Lots of nurses here making $100k (salaries are disclosed as they're government employees). In fact, I'd say the majority make at least $100k.
Meanwhile, the very same government was recently starting out the few engineers they hired at $30k/year, on one-year contracts.
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