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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 5:13 PM
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> Obviously, one cannot remove constitutional rights
> from citizens based
> upon their religion.
Can't believe YOU are saying that. 
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> However, I would support prosecution of radical
> imams
> in the US who openly call for jihad under the
> statutes of RICO and treason.
> I mean EXACTLY the kind of stuff that is tolerated in
> Europe should lead
> to massive prison terms here.
I have no problem with that. The only thing to think about is, these actions should not be spinned to provoke the large number of moderate Muslims.
> Sorry, if your religion includes violent overthrow of
> the government and violence
> against nonbelievers and women and the press- your
> religion is not a religion in
> the same sense that American traditionally
> understands and accepts religion.
Christianity is not necessarily a very peaceful religion either. Heck, it's all a matter of interpretation.
> In the USA, we have a different tradition from you
> Asians. We go to our houses of
> worship, and we MIND OUR OWN BUSINESS in the public
> sphere.
Really? Like pushing for "intelligent design" in schools? Gimme a break, will ya!! US is a quite religiously conservative nation. Why do the folks from church show up at my front door every other week trying to tell me about how I should pray to Jesus who can solve all my problems!!
> And talk about abortion protesters and the like -
> nope, not the proper forum for that.
Sure. Sure!!! Whatever you say!!
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 6:56 PM
in response to: CodeCorrector
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Dude- if you cannot see the difference between a religion that threatens your freaking life and a religion that pushes for equal time in the schools on the academic subject of man's origins, then you are a shallow thinker indeed.
Of course, you don't REALLY have a dog in this fight. America's long term future is not your number one priority- you are a kind of mobile, international kind a guy.
If things don't get too rough - KOOOL! you are Cool in Cali!
If the jihadis really start to swing out - well then it is "See ya! Wouldn't wanna be-yah"!
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YjVmN2E4MjQwZTZkMDgyNTZiMTIxNzhjYzcxZTAxNzI=
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 7:32 PM
in response to: manowar
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Here is the thing.
I do not think it's possible and feasible to clean out the country of Muslims.
Having said that, I think US needs to take a look at why would a born and brought up American citizen who actually joined military, will take this path!!
It's very easy to point fingers, and patch problems, without looking at the root cause.
The other thing they should look at is, how did FBI miss this guy. From msnbc:
"There was the classroom presentation that justified suicide bombings. Comments to colleagues about a climate of persecution faced by Muslims in the military. Conversations with a mosque leader that became incoherent.
Some who knew Nidal Malik Hasan as a student said they saw clear signs the young Army psychiatrist — who authorities say went on a shooting spree at Fort Hood that left 13 dead and 29 others wounded — had no place in the military. After arriving at Fort Hood, he was conflicted about what to tell fellow Muslim soldiers about the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan, alarming an Islamic community leader from whom he sought counsel."
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 8:16 PM
in response to: CodeCorrector
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Here is the thing, buddy.
Americans are either gonna be stupid or we ( that doesn't include you in the we) are gonna be smart.
If we would get smart we would stop letting people from countries with big Islamic populations come into the USA. Unfortunately such a policy would prevent innocent people like you from coming here and making innovative contributions to America's software legacy. But I could live with that to avoid some jihad attacks. Matter of fact, I think most Americans would agree with me if we framed the issue that way. ( Of course people like you and liberals are going to keep on framing the issue in other ways.)
On the other hand, most likely America is gonna keep being stupid and we will keep having more jihad attacks each year until we become Europe.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 8:39 PM
in response to: manowar
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If this had happened six years ago, Cheney and his defense contractor buddies would have been opening champagne bottles.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 8:53 PM
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> If this had happened six years ago, Cheney and his
> defense contractor buddies would be opening champagne
> bottles right about now.
I cannot imagine a more irrelevant observation. This thread is about jihadis in the USA.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 9:06 PM
in response to: manowar
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> I cannot imagine a more irrelevant observation. This
> thread is about jihadis in the USA.
War in Iraq, Afghanistan, Gitmo, etc. was also 'supposedly' about stopping jihadis.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 10:02 PM
in response to: manowar
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Good post Manowar, although I suspect CC is a Hindu nominally and an atheist by choice.
Of course Hindus, the extremist kind, can be very violent, and against Christians as well as Muslims, just to add to CC's observation that Christians can be violent.
Here in the USA, we certainly need to watch the Muslims very carefully.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 11:19 PM
in response to: NHJoan
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> Good post Manowar, although I suspect CC is a Hindu
> nominally and an atheist by choice.
Yep!!
> Of course Hindus, the extremist kind, can be very
> violent,
Yep!! Look at some of the folks in India. Burnt a Priest and his two kids alive. WTF!! These days some of them started becoming the "moral police". I think they meant "moron police".
> and against Christians as well as Muslims,
> just to add to CC's observation that Christians can
> be violent.
Right!!
> Here in the USA, we certainly need to watch the
> Muslims very carefully.
Maybe!! But in trying to do so, you don't want to make more cases of such incidences. So, it's a fine line to walk.
I read more reports, and seems like this guy already had some psychological issues. I'm having more doubts if this is really Jihad (in terms of the large scheme of things) or one guy who lost his mind and went on a rampage with Islam/Palestine issues as the trigger.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 7, 2009 11:48 PM
in response to: CodeCorrector
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Just adding a little more - agreeing with many other posters.
The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition (under the guise of religion), the Catholic Church not accepting gays and lesbians and sent them to detox so they could rid their body of the evil within (until the church needed more income ?), McCarthyism adding "under God" to the Pledge of Allegiance, death to those helping in abortion clinics (right-wing nuts)
I read the rantings of radical dopes in The Rockland Journal News when anything on abortion is written. The nuts come out in droves in the forums spewing hatred and death to women who get abortions and death to doctors and nurses who assist them. I walked through picket lines in my younger years just to bug the heck out of the nuts and support choice. Never had an abortion  and support those who don't use it as birth control.
In our own country Timothy McVeigh blew up the building killing how many Americans? The ex-IT guy in Orlando killed how many people? The *** lynched and hung how many innocent people because of the color of their skin? Matthew Shepherd (the gay guy) burned on a stake and we're afraid of foreigners in our midst? Who was the black dude who was attached to the back of a truck and dragged through the streets in TX to his death? Oh yeah... Waco, TX ... Jonestown ...
Are they all declaring jihad on the rest of us?
Extremists are just that - nutcases. Why are we going to watch muslims anymore than sexual predators or pedophiles or gay bashers or whacky sects (McVeighs...)? The core of any religion is peace. Then men may take it over and makes it fit his arrogant self and turns it into darkness.
The Fort Hood dude was a psychiatrist who heard many stories about the atrocities committed in Iraq and Afghanistan. He was scheduled to be shipped over there. Isn't that saying something about how thin our troops are stretched ... coming home in pieces alive or dead, after multiple and extended tours of duties ... then many commit suicide here. There were signs the shrink was in trouble and once again, the idiots ignored the obvious signs (yah, CC, I agree with you again).
I talked to a guy who worked for me (Rajeev) about my own beliefs. We agreed they appeared to be more Hindi-related than anything the West conjured up like a white Jesus... give me a break.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 8, 2009 12:23 AM
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> the Catholic Church not accepting
> gays and lesbians and sent them to detox so they
> could rid their body of the evil within
There is a Yoga Guru of some sort named Ramdev Baba who is very popular these days in India. He claims that being homosexual is an ailment, and his yoga can cure it!!
He also claims his yoga can cure cancer.
He has followers numbering in tens of thousands. Apparently, he is minting money off these poor souls... even conned a couple to buy him a Scottish island!!!! Yes, you read it right.
http://www.monstersandcritics.com/lifestyle/life/news/article_1507329.php/Tiny-Scottish-island-transforming-into-yoga-centre
There is no shortage of nutjobs anywhere.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 8, 2009 6:32 AM
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> Good post Manowar, although I suspect CC is a Hindu
> nominally and an atheist by choice.
> Of course Hindus, the extremist kind, can be very
> violent, and against Christians as well as Muslims,
> just to add to CC's observation that Christians can
> be violent.
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> Here in the USA, we certainly need to watch the
> Muslims very carefully.
Joan, if "watching the Muslims" is our solution, by that point- we will
already have lost and they will have won. Immigration from Muslim countries should
be stopped. Once the percentage in the population reaches a tipping point, they
can switch from being "moderate" to making more and more demands and using
violence to achieve them. Using Europe as a model, Americans will likely be too
passive to resist by that point.
This book should be read by anyone who cares about saving America:
http://www.brucebawer.com/
And judging by some of the utterly clueless
posts I see on this thread, I think Islam's chances of winning here are excellent. Certainly
in Europe, the game may already be over- and we are heading in that direction.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 8, 2009 7:46 AM
in response to: manowar
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I'm not so sure it is dire as that, but even if you are right, we know it will never happen that they'll stop immigration from Muslim countries, which include Turkey of course.
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 8, 2009 8:47 AM
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I dunno, I still think China's odds of winning the globe are better than Muslims. All they have to do is lift their having one baby ban and continue importing contaminated c*ap. Of course, extremists of any nature can then come in and blow them to smitherines. Who knows...
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Re: Jihad at Fort Hood
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Nov 8, 2009 8:52 AM
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Neato keeno. I want to go to the Yogi to see if he can save my tortured soul. I'd like him to do it on the island... except I'm unemployed, so my money probably can't buy him.
I believe people can change their longevity with beliefs. I think my Dad did (he was an atheist who wanted to live) and passed all doctors' life expectancy guesses by > nine, long years. He also used less chemo in conjunction with alternative routes.
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