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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 2:04 PM
in response to: me_myswlf_and_i
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You should know more history. I defend our revolution but the fact is the Brits spent a lot more money defending the colonies from the French than they ever collected in taxes.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 2:10 PM
in response to: Bill Nafta Gates
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> See solving the problem's easy over 20 million
> illegals not paying into the system and various other
> deadbeat foreigners who stuff money into their
> mattresses or send it overseas
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> Get rid of them somehow, getting rid of them could be
> big business and provide a big boost to the economy
> bring the min wage upto $10-12 per hour so there
> would be NO more throw away jobs see how fast
> everything picks up pretty soon there would be zero
> unemployment
> Sadly it can't be done cheap labor addicted big corp
> would never allow it
Here's the problem with your statements: If the illegals are not paying into the system, that means someone (most likely an American) is breaking the law by paying without withholding taxes. And even if they send most of their money home to another country, the living expenses they incur-no matter how small-are paid in the US.
If an illegal is working with false documents, as many are, they ARE paying into the system. And someone, again most likely an American, knows the documents are false, but can usually get away with paying them much lower wages.
I worked in south Texas for several months as PM for a software implemention at a manufacturing facility. The factory workforce was mostly Hispanic and it took HR only one pay cycle to discover falsified documentation, if it was missed in the initial screening. Those working under falsified papers were immediately dismissed, but payroll deductions were made for the time they worked. There are companies who allow people to work for years under false documentation and payroll deductions are made on their wages. And why is this? Lower wages, no benefits, poorer working conditions and more money in someone else's pocket. It all goes back to non-partisan greed.
I grew up in a small north Georgia town that had a manufacturing based economy and the most millioniares per capita in the US. As of the 2000 census, the population was 45% Hispanic. Odd for a tiny GA mountain town? Yes. Coincidence? I don't think so.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 2:25 PM
in response to: NHJoan
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> You should know more history. I defend our revolution
> but the fact is the Brits spent a lot more money
> defending the colonies from the French than they ever
> collected in taxes.
A very good point. However, as I remember, the original tea partiers were not complaining about the taxer per se. Rather, they were complaining about "taxation without representation."
> In short, many in those colonies believed the lack of direct representation in the distant British Parliament was an illegal denial of their rights as Englishmen, and therefore laws taxing the colonists (the kind of law that affects the most individuals directly), and other laws applying only to the colonies, were unconstitutional.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_taxation_without_representation
The colonists were saying: "if you are going to tax us, then we deserve our share of representation." The colonists just wanted a seat at the table. I don't know why the Brits were so hard-nosed about it.
In retrospect, the entire conflict was senseless. But then again, I am not convinced that modern armed conflicts are any more sensible.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 2:31 PM
in response to: Dixie
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> If an illegal is working with false documents, as
> many are, they ARE paying into the system.
I think you are right. However, we also have to consider what they are taking out of the system. For example, a pregnant woman goes to a US emergency room to have her baby. She identifies herself as Maria Gonzales, and gives the same social security number as 14 other Maria Gonzaleses. She does not have any money, so the US tax-payer has to foot the bill. And the baby is immediately a US citizen.
I could give many other examples.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 2:52 PM
in response to: walterbyrd
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> > If an illegal is working with false documents, as
> > many are, they ARE paying into the system.
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> I think you are right. However, we also have to
> consider what they are taking out of the
> system. For example, a pregnant woman goes to a US
> emergency room to have her baby. She identifies
> herself as Maria Gonzales, and gives the same social
> security number as 14 other Maria Gonzaleses. She
> does not have any money, so the US tax-payer has to
> foot the bill. And the baby is immediately a US
> citizen.
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> I could give many other examples.
And I agree with you. But why does she have no money or insurance? Could it be because someone knowing hired her or her husband without proper benefits, as a money saving method of company management? I remember a documentary about Wal-mart (it was several years ago, so their policy may have changed). Undercover cameras showed employees receiving instructions on how to apply for Medicaid and welfare because the WM wages were so dismal. It was Wal-mart corporate policy to expect the taxpayers to foot the bill for their employees.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 4:21 PM
in response to: Dixie
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well it is a bit funny hearing all the Lou-Dobbish types (yes he is racist & nuts - so if he and that coward Tancredo are our "great white hopes"  we're in trouble) - ref the Southern Poverty Law Center & Media Matters for documentation on Dobbs. But my you guys sure love those "socialist" unemployment benefits/compensation you get though; and you throw all your right-wing & Libertarian pipe-dreams out the window for your unemployment check! 
and bg's anecdotal evidence of some sort of latter-day "40 acres & a mule" for Obama supporters is right out of the Sarah Palin playbook.
the original "tea party" (which it is a shame to call these latter-day klan rallies the same thing) was over a 2% tea tax, and taxation without representation. The Brits were overextended with all their colonies (the expense of maintaining & defending) on up through the Indian independence in 1948. We seem to be getting in the same boat what with our zealous right-winger/PNAC types and having us "police the world" etc.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 5:21 PM
in response to: carlgt1
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WTF? I am neither right-wing nor Libertarian. Although I respect (notice I said respect, not embrace) Libertatian principles a heck of a lot more than what passes for Republican these days. I am a Democrat almost to the point of being a Yellow Dog (look it up, youngster). I believe in a 2 party system. But I think the 2 parties should represent the divergent(Dem & Rep) wishes of the American people-not big business.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 5:46 PM
in response to: Dixie
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sorry, although I posted after you (using your post as a "reply link"), I wasn't addressing my comments to you, mostly to bg & nhjoan. a buddy just forwarded this link of Congress in action (or "inaction") -- the petulant "object" every second by the Georgia Repub reminds me of when King George III went nuts and insisted the word "penguin" be inserted throughout some document. of course he had an excuse for his behavior, suffering as he did from the disease porphyria....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMdlcnK_MI4
It's just gotten so bizarre. We can't even setup a half-decent national healthcare system like any country in the EU can do (yeah they're not perfect but still better than nothing). Even a buddy who is a Limbaugh fan & doesn't have health insurance would rather not have any plan other than give into the mythical "socialist Holocaust on America" that the right-wing media & politicians have successfully brain-washed him into believing (sort of like bg with his "communist Muslim America thanks to Obama" drivel).
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 6:08 PM
in response to: carlgt1
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But my you guys sure love those "socialist" unemployment benefits/compensation you get though; and you throw all your right-wing & Libertarian pipe-dreams out the window for your unemployment check!
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Guess what? I was denied unemployment benefits because in the eyes of the State of Ohio, I was self-employed even though prox. 10% of my income was from side contract work .............. AND I lost my job as the result of a plant closing which cost over 250 people their jobs too! Go figure!
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and bg's anecdotal evidence of some sort of latter-day "40 acres & a mule" for Obama supporters is right out of the Sarah Palin playbook.
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I hope you enjoy Obama micro-managing your life down to the point of where you'll be told when & where to work, where to live, what you are permitted to eat., etc., etc.
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the original "tea party" (which it is a shame to call these latter-day klan rallies the same thing) was over a 2% tea tax, and taxation without representation.
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What do you think they are doing right now in the House..... taxation without representation!!!! Does Boehner need to wack Pelosi over the head with a 2x4", to get her to realize that a majority of the American people don't like the current ObamaCare bill!!!!
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We seem to be getting in the same boat what with our zealous right-winger/PNAC types and having us "police the world" etc.
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Get used to looking at AK-47's if Obama fulfills his dream ....................... Remember that Obama has said that he wants a "National Police Force" which is as powerful as the military currently is!!!! Think ...... we already HAVE local police, county sheriffs, state police, ATF, FBI, etc!!! WHY DO WE NEED ANOTHER LARGER POLICE FORCE at a NATIONAL LEVEL???? Because Obama wants to control our EVERY MOVE, just like they did in post WW II Russia!!!!!
From the horse's mouth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tt2yGzHfy7s
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 7:03 PM
in response to: bg6638
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> What do you think they are doing right now in the
> House..... taxation without representation!!!!
The original Tea Party was in protest of the actions of a KING-good ol' mad George. Obama was elected and is, therefore, a representative of the people.
Does Boehner need to wack Pelosi over the head with a
> 2x4", to get her to realize that a majority of the
> American people don't like the current ObamaCare
> bill!!!!
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>According to a Nov 6 2009 poll 52% object to the HC bill in it's present form. 55% favor a public option. Obama was trying to cater to the likes of you and created a mish-mosh pile of S*** that no one is happy with. The Dems should have the gumption to get it done, as their majority allows them to do, and then get on to something else like,oh I don't know.....the ECONOMY. There is a faction that will not be happy with anything Obama does and he needs to get over it and get on with the other issues. I supect that this whole mess has just been a delay tactic orchastrated by those who don't give a rat's a** about the problems of real people. It's amazing how people can't realize when they are being manipulated.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 7:08 PM
in response to: Dixie
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I've had my say. I'll see y'all in about a month.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 8:55 PM
in response to: carlgt1
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well it is a bit funny hearing all the Lou-Dobbish types (yes he is racist & nuts - so if he and that coward Tancredo are our "great white hopes" we're in trouble) - ref the Southern Poverty Law Center & Media Matters for documentation on Dobbs. Ok, now I know where you are coming from. If you don't like what Dobb's is saying, it's hitting a nerve. Good! You sound like you want to be knee deep in illegals, and watching your future & this country's future go down the tubes. Racists(Dobbs & Tancredo)? Sh!t, get a clue dude  ...
'Free' Trade & Work Visas Are Korporate Amerika's Means of Profit. Your Jobs Are At Stake. Contact Your Senator & Revolt!!!
Ok, drop that chute boys, got another fresh load of H-1B's here! Get'um while they're hot. Let's hustle up folk's, got a lot of American jobs to replace....Mov'um Out RawHide!...
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 7, 2009 11:01 PM
in response to: bg6638
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COME ON BG, YOU CAN DO IT, GET TO THE MAGIC 5000 POST COUNT, THE NEXT LEVEL OF "WASTED TIME". No wonder you're unemployed, particularly with that STRONG COBOL and FOXPRO Background !!
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 8, 2009 8:54 AM
in response to: 11iAppsDBA
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honestly, you guys really need to do something more productive and have a massive "rethink." You (or the Republican Party) is not going to get rid of 20 million Mexicans in the US, illegal or not, nor are you going to get rid of a million Indians on H1B or whatever. None of your heros (zeros) like Lou Dobbs or Tancredo or Rush Limbaugh have any solution to this. Are you going to setup "concentration camps" for Mexicans? Have a massive airlift & roundup?
It's just ludicrous to think you're going to just round up Mexicans & Indians in the US; more horrible than when we rounded up Japanese-Americans and put them in camps during WW2 (oddly we didn't round up Germans though; displaying the typical racism in the US unfortunately).
It's 10-20 years too late to do anything, and you need to find some niche to work in or leverage yourself into a job that won't get offshored or replaced by an H1B.
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Re: Unemployment now 10.2 % so much for hope & change
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Nov 8, 2009 7:38 PM
in response to: carlgt1
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Are you going to setup "concentration camps" for Mexicans? Have a massive airlift & roundup? That would be a good start. And, don't forget the the 2nd most populous illegal nationality...
'Free' Trade & Work Visas Are Korporate Amerika's Means of Profit. Your Jobs Are At Stake. Contact Your Senator & Revolt!!!
Ok, drop that chute boys, got another fresh load of H-1B's here! Get'um while they're hot. Let's hustle up folk's, got a lot of American jobs to replace....Mov'um Out RawHide!...
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